Jessica Chastain & Guillermo del Toro Reunite After 6 Years
Released on 01/24/2022
I remember the first time we met.
I was on crutches.
and you were wearing a super baggy T-shirt.
Yes, that's right.
And I like,
he's like talking to me about doing a horror film,
and I like put stumble in on crutches.
And you're like, What happened?
No, no, don't call me that.
I'm not your mom, I'm Annabel.
You can call me that.
Or Annie or whatever you like.
Mama was my first horror film actually.
I love the genre because it really is for me
at the time, especially 10 years ago,
it was one of the few genres that showed women
as I believe we are
you know, really strong and heroic.
And it was rare to find those kinds of superheroes
in others genres.
Yes, and it's so emotional.
If you tap it with a story
that has sort of a mythical dimension, which Mama did.
I mean that ending,
I still don't know how we got away with that.
[Jessica] I thought it might change,
but that was actually one of my notes.
Do you promise it's gonna end like this?
'Cause that's what made the film so cool.
And I remember talking to Andy and we said,
Whatever happens we can't change the ending.
And then came time to test the movie.
We put it in front of an audience and the hunters
fortunately said, Whatever you guys do,
don't touch the ending.
Yes, that never happens. Never happens.
And the studio have no choice, but to follow.
What are you talking about?
I think I said after I read it,
cause I knew I wanted to work with you,
but I wrote back and I was like,
Can I play the not nice one please?
And I said, you remember I said,
I was hoping you would say that.
Because to be completely disarmingly honest,
the reason I made Crimson Peek was Lucille.
I mean, I love all the characters and all this, but to me,
there's a lead character
and there's a character that is not leading the narrative,
but there's a character that you know
the movie is sort of a plan about.
And Lucille for me was that character.
Shared some similarities,
which is this strange, with the Lilith character
that Cate Blanchett is playing on Nightmare Alley.
It's the same sort of dynamic where you go,
Okay, this is the mountain.
Does she have keys?
[Guillermo] Yes, there's actually a shot.
That is the Lucille shot, where she's in the bathroom.
[Jessica] And then there's the mirror.
[Guillermo] There's the mirror.
And a key is being taken on the other room.
Oh my gosh. That's amazing.
Seeing Lucille as almost like an insect,
this idea that she, her skeleton
was on the outside of her body.
And you see that, even with the costumes,
where there's the shield and, or,
or like an insane asylum
where it's the straight jacket, you're tied in.
And then once it's loose,
once the clothes--
she's like free and uncontrolled.
She's free in her chaos.
And that was super exciting to play.
I remember when we designed that wardrobe
to open like the wings of a moth.
and you take the staircase running
with giant shoes... [Jessica laughs]
And a flowing stumble, break your neck flowing gown.
And I'm coming on on a little Dolly counter to you.
And I go, Action.
And in comes, you come flying.
And I go Oh my God. [Jessica laughs]
Like the Formula 1 race.
And then you take the staircase
and that things opens like the wings of a butterfly
I go, Magic. Oh.
[Guillermo] Tammy Faye has colors that are beautifully...
[Jessica] That are very Lucille?
There's a paradox that is beautiful there.
So when you approach Tammy Faye,
and she's very paradoxical,
she has so many sides;
what she does
is very hard to relate from the outside.
I actually just found her
being guilty of marrying the wrong person.
She was never really even charged
or convicted with any crimes.
Her big crime is, I guess, you know, televangelism.
So mostly for her,
I thought of the girl
that was like locked out of the church as a kid.
And that she connected faith with love.
And that was the only way she really ever felt love,
as if she felt like people were looking at her,
if God had accepted her.
I could understand why the LGBTQ community
reached out to her.
Because she, in some sense,
knew what it was like to be banished
and ostracized from a group, from her community.
The one thing we wanna be in this world is be seen.
And if God sees us. Yeah.
And the guy saying it dresses so well. [laughs]
And he looks so charming and we go,
Well, maybe that's true.
This is what I find interesting about the two projects,
that we live in a moment in which
you can have a discussion about the reality
and find two exactly opposing narratives.
And they both are held as truth.
I do think though, the one difference I think is,
is I do believe Tammy Faye was a faith-based person.
I don't believe she was swindling people in terms of faith.
No, no but he was. Yeah.
Good loves you.
Merry Christmas everybody.
Merry Christmas. Bye-bye everybody.
I felt so much pressure
in wearing the producer hat and the actor hat.
As a producer, I'm like,
Let's get this movie made.
And then as the actor
I was trying to sabotage it, completely,
I was like... Afraid?
I was shaking on the first day.
Little did we know.
Well, jury's still out.
Maybe a little bit, I don't know.
If you look at Crimson Peak and Shape of Water,
they're all in devil's backbone, you know,
they're all such incredibly different worlds
that you create from the bottom up.
And it's, as an actor,
and as an audience member watching it
it's so exciting and inspiring to see,
because it's clear that it's a Guillermo del Toro film.
Like when you see the keys or whatever.
But it's also,
it's a, you feel like you're in a different fable.
You barely know me.
One of the things we discovered, which was crazy,
it's never happened to me.
Is a repelled score.
Like any score.
I said, let's,
let's edit it without any temp.
And so we edited the movie in complete no score, silence.
And then it took a long time and a long effort,
to find the exact score.
[tranquil piano music]
Mr. Carlisle, come in.
It's just such a strange thing
when you're trying to talk people into seeing your movie.
You know, it makes me feel sometimes sad,
like it clouds the experience of making it a little bit.
And then I'm reminded like, when I'm sitting here with you,
I'm like, it's not bad when you get,
when you're like, Oh, work today.
You get to sit down and talk for 30 minutes with Guillemo.
I agree with you.
The key is comfortable shoes. [Jessica laughs]
That's absolutely the piece of advice.
And a comfortable hoodie.
No but, comfortable shoes.
I remember when we didn't win Foreign Film
for Pan's Labyrinth all I thought is,
Ah, I'm going to remove my shoes.
I really have missed you Guillermo.
We should have dinner with--
and have Bradley making pizza.
Oh my God. Do you know?
He makes the best pizza in the world.
And he makes a vegan pizza for me.
[sights] Even then.
As long as I don't have to have it.
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